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(Colloguy Precedes.)
(Witness Enters Room.)
(Time noted: 12:47 p.m.)
a a called as a witness, having
been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand
Jury, was examined and testified as follows:
EXAMINATION
Q. Could you please state and spell your name for |
the record?
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Q Good afternoon, Special Agent [| |
A. Good afternoon, |
Q. Where do you work? |
A. The FBI. |
Q. What's your title at the FBI? |
A. Special agent. |
Q. How long have you worked as a special agent |
for the FBI?
A. For over Lwo years now. |
Q. Did you testify before this grand jury on |
June 18th, 20197 |
A. 1 did. |
0. Can you just remind the grand jury about your
background? What types of work do you do at the FBIY
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A. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children
Squad, so we work child exploitation, human
trafficking, and international parental kidnapping
matters.

Q. Have you participated in an investigation of
Jeffrey Epstein and his associates?

A. Yes,

Q. Have you spoken to other people, including
other law enforcement officers, about this
investigation?

A. Yes.

Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents
prepared by others regarding this case?

A. Yes,

Q. And is your testimony today based in part on
those conversations with other law enforcement officers
and documents that you have reviewed?

A. Yes.

MS. ne: Ladies and gentlemen, some of the
testimony that you're going to hear today will
include hearsay. As you know, that means that the
witness will not be testifying solely from her own
observations, but that she'll also be reporting
what others have told her and what she's read in

reports and documents prepared by others.

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As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in

these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to
rely on it in determining whether there is
probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. |
If, however, you would like to hear the |
testimony of any other witness, you have the right |
to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts |
te bring that witness before you. |
BY MS. [J |
Q. So, Special Agent [| I placed in front of |
you a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them |
now one by one. |
We were discussing earlier that you recall |
testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019; is |
that correct?
A. Yes, |
Q. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as
Grand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate |
transcript of your testimony cn that date?
A. Yes. |
Q. I've alsc placed in front of you Grand Jury
Exhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you |
reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 20197? |
A. Yes.
Q. So picking up where we left off last time, I |
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want to follow up regarding the presentation, If you
could turn to page 28 of that presentation.
Now, Special Agent [J do you recall
testifying about your interviews with a young woman

A. Yes.

Q. And do you recall that there was a question
from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides
in this presentation?

A, Yes,

Q. Just want to follow up on that. So on this
page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall
testifying about phone records of a call between a
phone number subscribed to ] and [
Bl cell phone on January 3rd?

A. Yes,

Q. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records
that are excerpted in this slide?

A. Yes.

Q. Is the call highlighted on this slide from
January 3rd, 20057

A. Yes.

Q. Directing your attention to the top of the
slide where it says 2004, is that a typo?

A. Yes,

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0. Have you confirmed that the underlying records |
are, in fact, from January 3rd, 20057? |
A. Yes. |
Q. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the |
header on this slide is January 4, 2005, Is that the |
same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that |
slide? |
A. Yes. |
0. So does the date on this slide accurately |
reflect the date on the deposit slip? |
A. Yes.
0. So when you testified that based on the phone
records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that |
it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was |
that in fact accurate?
A. Yes. |
0. All right. So I want to switch gears now and
ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand |
jury regarding a woman named [EEE |
A. Yes. |
Q. If you could turn now to what's before you and |
marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this? |
A. Yes. |
0. What is this document? |
A. So this is a list of messages that to -- that |

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appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein.

Q. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the
FBI obtain this document?

A. We received this from the Palm Beach Police
Department.

2. What is your understanding, based on your
review of law enforcement reports and your review of
the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department
obtained this document?

A. They would have received it from a trash pull.
So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to
the residence and went through the trash that was left
on the curb.

2. Is this document from one of those trash
pulls?

A. Yes.

Q. Approximately when was this pulled from the
trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports?

A. April 13, 2005.

Q. In a previous presentation, you discussed a
number of residences. Do you know specifically where
this was pulled from the trash?

A. The Palm Beach residence.

Q. Did you personally participate in gathering

this evidence?

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ra A. I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have
3 received the evidence since.

4 Cl), So let's talk through this document.

5 Looking first at the first page at the top,

6 what does this document appear to be?

f, A. It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein,

8 4/11/200% to 4/11/2005.

~ 0. What are the fields at the top?

10 A. So the left side has who it's from, the middle
11 has the message, and then on the right it has -- some

1 Bp of them have phone numbers listed.

13 Q. Does the name [ND appear in this document?
14 A. Yes.

15 0. Let's turn to the fourth page of this

16 document. Focusing on the last line, do you see where
17 it says callers?

18 A. Yes.

19 0. What is listed in the field to the right?

22 Q. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing
23 on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the

24 grand jury where you see the name [J =t the bottom
25 of this document?
26 A. so [IN - listed twice.

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Does that appear toc be a New York City area

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number?

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Q. What did she tell you?

A. She did not recognize it.

Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the
phones that she was using during this time period?

A. She said that she was using a lot of different
phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so

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4 Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone
3 number?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Who was listed for the subscriber in 20057?
d A. It came back to an individual in Maspeth.
2 Q. Based on your participation in this
10 investigation, does that particular individual have any
11 significance to this investigation, as far as you can
12 tell?
13 A. No.
14 Q. If these messages had been left oy [|W in
15 New York, would some type of communication have had to
16 occur across state lines in order for these messages to
17 have been found in Florida?
18 A. Yes.

19 Q. Do you recall testifying about [|

20 [me remembered receiving phone calls
21 from Epstein’'s assistant, [3

22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Did they recall that occasicnally when they
24 would get phone calls from |] that she would say
25 that she was calling from New York?

26 A. Yes,

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Q. Hc in Florida when they
got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been
placed from New York, would those calls have traveled
across state lines?

A. Yes,

Q. A few final questions avout [EN
In your conversations with her, did she ever describe
to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages
that she was scheduling?

A. Tes,

0. Who would call her?

Q. Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the
phone?

A. Epstein.

Q. And did she explain the context in which she
would receive calls and speak to Epstein?

A. Yes. She sald that when she spoke with
Epstein on the phone, it would always be through
I so [J vou1¢ contact her and then put him
on the phone to speak with her,

Q. What was her understanding of who Bs

A. His assistant.

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2 them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to
3 the house?
4 A. Yes.
Q. Did she recall whether [JR cver asked her
toc bring a particular girl?
A. Yes.

Q. What does she remember about that?

A, that [Rou ask her, do you have this

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12 Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the

13 phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever
14 ask her to bring a particular girl?

15 A. Yes.

16 0. What did she remember about that?

17 A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl.

18 Q Just one moment.

19 Special Agent [ have you told the grand

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22 A. I've just answered the questions you've asked.

23 Q. When you testified about the documents you |

24 reviewed or the conversations that you had with .others,

25 were you testifying to the exact words that were used

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4 0. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if
5 the grand jury has any further questions for you?

6 A. Yes.
7 vs. [IN With the Foreperson's permission, I
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9 THE FOREPERSON: You're excused.

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